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Rogun construction worsens Uzbek-Tajik relations
Some analysts call for compromise
By Rukhshona Ibragimova
2010-03-05
DUSHANBE -- Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are at loggerheads over a hydropower station.
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![The Tajik government compelled citizens to buy shares in Rogun, calling construction of the hydropower station essential. Uzbekistan says building Rogun will harm the regional ecology. [Rukhshona Ibragimova]](/shared/images/2010/03/05/Tj-UzRogun-218_172.jpg)
The Tajik government compelled citizens to buy shares in Rogun, calling construction of the hydropower station essential. Uzbekistan says building Rogun will harm the regional ecology. [Rukhshona Ibragimova]
![The Tajik government compelled citizens to buy shares in Rogun, calling construction of the hydropower station essential. Uzbekistan says building Rogun will harm the regional ecology. [Rukhshona Ibragimova]](/shared/images/2010/03/05/Tj-UzRogun.jpg)
The start of construction of the Rogun project on the Vakhsh River has done nothing to improve the countries' frayed relations.
Tajik analysts are trying to foresee what Uzbekistan might do, since Tashkent has complained that Rogun's construction without a mutual agreement is intolerable.
Uzbekistan has warned numerous times of environmental consequences. It asked its neighbour in February to allow an independent assessment of Rogun's environmental consequences. Uzbek Prime Minster Shavkat Mirzoyev used the government newspaper, Pravda Vostoka, to cite the potential for environmental damage and earthquakes.
His Tajik counterpart, Akil Akilov, retorted that Tajikistan needed the electricity and that it had taken environmental and geological issues into account.
Uzbekistan was not done with the war of words. Salim Doniyorov, editor of the Uzbek pro-government newspaper Narodnoe slovo, wrote that Tajikistan was engaged in "shady dealings".
Some Tajiks say Russia and Uzbekistan derailed an effort to build the power station nearly 20 years ago.
“Pakistan pledged US $600m (in 1992) to the construction of the hydroelectric plant. … From this, the bloody civil war began”, Tajik Senator Hoji Akbar Turajonzoda said. “Neither Russia nor Uzbekistan wanted Pakistanis … to come to Tajikistan”. But Sergei Yezhkov, an independent political analyst in Uzbekistan, denied the existence of any intrigues.
“There is no need to demonise Russia’s and Uzbekistan’s special services. The civil war in Tajikistan was not their initiative”, he said. Neither country wanted the headache of keeping a neighbouring war from spilling over into its territory, he said.
Analysts on both sides agree on little. But they predict the dispute is far from over.
“It could go as far as military intervention, and (Uzbekistan) would absolutely be in the right", said Uzbek political analyst Aleksandr Knyazev, citing his view that any construction on a trans-boundary river requires international agreement.
But Rustam Samiyev, an independent Tajik political analyst, said the situation is too vague to declare one side right.
“Under existing international law, there are no explicit prohibitions, since the issue of trans-boundary water usage is still subject to discussion”, he said.
Samiyev said neither country’s leadership had the political capital to afford going to war over Rogun.
“Secondly, each of the two countries has a significant diaspora in its neighbour (ethnic Tajiks in Uzbekistan, ethnic Uzbeks in Tajikistan), something that threatens serious internal problems and … the territorial integrity of both states in the face of an ethnic conflict”, he added.
The feuding over the power station owes partly to the two presidents' efforts to build up their own political bases, said an independent Tajik analyst who requested anonymity.
“(Uzbek President Islam) Karimov is trying to prove ... how much he is a ‘non-Tajik’”, the analyst said. “(Tajik President Emomali) Rakhmon is trying to prove in his own country that he is not a protege of Uzbekistan".
Doniyorov said the dispute does favour one interest in particular.
“Those forces who are unfriendly to both neighbourly states and who are interested in destabilising the situation in the region" stand to benefit, he said.
Some kind of agreement is essential, several Uzbek analysts said.
“A water-energy consortium is necessary, which (would include) all the countries of the Aral Basin, plus the investor countries plus possible foreign consumers of the energy”, Knyazev said.
Yezhkov called for an international study of the hydropower project.
“No, it is not always easy and joyful, but any negotiations are a search for a compromise“, he said. “The main thing today is to restore confidence".
Doniyorov agreed. “It is necessary to conduct a (safety and environmental) assessment under the auspices of the UN", he said.
The anonymous Tajik analyst agreed with Uzbek critics of the project, further criticising Rogun as being “in the interests of a handful of oligarchs, not of the nation”.
“Opponents of the dam’s construction stated in the early 1990s that it was not possible to completely rule out water seeping down into salt deposits", he said. "The base of the dam can become so fragile that even a small earthquake can shift it".
“Now they assure us that everything is being taken into account ... and ... that drainage tunnels to prevent water seepage are in the plans”, he said. “However, the question is: Does the ability to completely comply with the principles of engineering exist now?”, he said.
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For God's sake, let them build the hydro-power plant! I wonder where the money comes from? Maybe from Zhamshud and Ravshan?
Don’t judge the economy by looking at the currency, this is stupid. For instance, the Turkish lira until recently was very low, even lower than the Uzbekistan som, but in spite of this Turkey was a very developed and rich country. Despite of our currency, we are very strong in our economy, armed forces and other respects comparing to poor Tajikistan. Tajiks and Tajikistan won’t exist without Uzbeks and without Uzbekistan! You live at our expense and you will die without us! So don’t speak out here!
I think that our leaders should find common ground. We shall build Rogun anyway, so shut up. We can solve our problem ourselves, and you should deal with yours, UNDERSTOOD?! We believe that you do not exist on the face of the Earth for us. We can do without you. The best thing you can do is to change your president. Well, you cannot, he is the president for life whether you want it or not.
No matter if Uzbeks want it or not, Tajiks will build Rogun and other social facilities for themselves to live a normal life and provide for the people. Karimov, who is he? Even Uzbeks share my opinion. Every third person is surviving thanks to Russia or Korea. Look at the exchange rate of Uzbekistan's national currency - 100 sums equals 0.25 somoni. Draw a conclusion. Let him establish order in his country first and then teach others how to live.
Listen, Uzbeks, we need no Samarkand, no Bukhara, we are well off without these cites, no real Tajiks are left their now, while our Uzbeks are ashamed of being Uzbeks. What will you say to that? Do not you dare ridiculing Tajiks, the Uzbek nation originated from the Tajik nation!!
Sooner or later, all downstream countries, whether they want it or not, will have to pay for each liter of water. Regretfully, this will not happen as fast as we wanted. People's mentality must change. It is difficult for them to come to terms with the fact that they must pay for water just as for gas. At the same time, they hope for their numerical advantage. They even hint at military confrontation. Parokanda lashkar naoyad ba kor. Dusad mardi changi beh sad hazor. I assure you, you would find it cheaper to pay for our water than to fight us. You have driven us in such conditions that we have nothing to lose and we are very, very angry at your Uzbek government. Uzbek people are very tired of this stupid and obstinate government.
There are so many experts on Rogun but people just need power. Let them build it so that every family has electricity not only on holidays. It's like a man wants to buy a car but his neighbor is opposed to it and wants experts to examine the car to make sure it will not run over someone some day. Let us think before saying stupid things. Uzbekistan has a powerful propaganda machine. It's true.
Dear friends, I’m an Iranian. My job necessitates studying and doing research about Russia and central Asian countries. Therefore, I have good knowledge about your culture, politics and economy. Meanwhile, a question has made my mind busy … and to be precise, you have countries with the same historical roots. There was a time when you all lived under one flag and met the needs of each other. Now that you are -with the help of God- independent, the basic fact hasn’t changed and you are still the former friends who should cooperate with each other and solve your problems. Your governing officials should once and for all put an end to their problems. They shouldn't see the problems as matters of honor… the conflict between you will be settled just with your willingness and determination. With the hope that enduring peace and friendship be established.
I cannot understand one thing: we will build the power plant, but no one can cut water off. They just envy us.
Those who quarrel are enemies of both of us. The third side always harasses its two neighbors. Only our faith in God and tolerance towards each other can save us.
Tajikistan has no future without Rogun! Uzbekistan would benefit from Rogun in the future. The Tajiks and Uzbeks have one path - good-neighbourly relations, and nothing else matters. While Europe unites, we are going in an opposite direction!
The Tajiks do not own anything to anyone, especially to the Uzbeks.
Knyazev, we a group of Tajik mujahedeen would like to meet you. Where can we find you? Believe us, you and your associates will like our methods of treatment.
We have an appeal with both governments to solve there problem with mutual understanding focuses for the development not for destruction time has come to bring some constructive & developmental revolution peacefully and make the world a peaceful paradise.
Knyazev is a jerk!
They shouldn’t have pissed off the Uzbek leaders. Now the Tajik politicians are going to get it. If Uzbekistan had wanted, within a year you could have built your Rogun GES. It is not too late to renew the relationship, but not with Rahmon. He has talked too much about our great, respected Karimov. Karimov knows what to do and we will support his policies.
Yes, I want you to hear my opinion! It is not important whether you are a Tajik or an Uzbek, a Muslim or a Buddhist. There are good and bad people in every country. I am an Uzbek myself. I am 17 years old. If you see one bad Uzbek, you do not need to think that all Uzbeks are bad. Uzbeks, you should also not think that all Tajiks are the same. People are different. Dear citizens of Tajikistan, please, do not talk about envy, we also would be pleased to have a developed neighbour. May Allah let you build what you yourselves want to build, while, at the same time, not interfering in anyone else's affairs. As for Samarkand and Bukhara, you are severely mistaken. Not a single ethnic Tajik living in these cities will say that Samarkand or Bukhara are the Tajiks’ cities. And if you think that our people want to fight you, come here and compare our remaining oblasts with the so-called Tajik cities. You will be certain that you will not find a city in Tajikistan as beautiful as Bukhara and Samarkand. Here is another example for you: In Amerika a Tajik who hasn’t been to his homeland in ten years meets an Uzbek who hasn’t eaten patir bread from a tandir for 15 years. They immediately recognise each other by their tyubiteika hats, chapan robes and galoshes. What do you think they did? I will give you the answer: They hugged each other and, at the very least, invited each other to eat plov rice! So, is our history long or short as these peoples, as Muslims and Eastern orthodox, as Uzbeks and Tajiks? Peace to all of you. Be smart. There is no need to offend each other without knowing whom the other is and what baggage he is carrying with him.
The hydropower plant should be built if it does not harm anyone. Tajikistan is a poor, beggarly country – a model corridor for drugs. Nothing any good will ever come from here.
Allah gave the Muslims a stick so that they could poke at each other with it. While we are figuring our relationships, other countries will reach the skies. And us, we are going to be left with this stick.
I think it is stupid that we have nothing better to do than quarrel of spilled milk. We are almost one nation. Wherever we may go, they will call us Asians. This means we are one family. My grandmother is from Uzbekistan. When my relatives have a wedding or some other event, we cannot go there because of the difficulty in getting a visa. Rogun is a good idea. We will have electricity. I support Rogun.
Doesn’t it seem to you, Uzbek citizens, that you are too impudent? Why should our poor Tajik people have to go to work in cold Russia where they are humiliated and killed in order to feed their children – I am not even talking about giving them an education – and you Uzbeks think you are the masters? We do not have that many rich Tajiks. Indeed, everyone knows how they got rich. But, Allah exists and sooner or later everything that was earned off of people’s blood and tears will backfire on them. So be it. We, the Tajik people, are simple and perhaps even primitive because we have been driven down. Few people received educations during Soviet times because they toiled in the fields. Only the northern Tajiks studies and had work that wasn’t dirty. The Uzbeks only worked in the trade of cheating people. And, this hydropower plant is truly none of your bloody business. If it were your plant, you would not have asked us. You are a bunch of sly wretches. If only I could throw you and the Chinese in Tajikistan to the [expletive].
We must not denigrate the Uzbeks as such! We must not blame them for all of our troubles. All the same, we will never be on par with the Uzbeks. Take a look at their culture, education and government they have! And, what have we Tajiks achieved in these nearly 20 years of independence??? Even if another 20 such years go by, our Rogun GES will not be complete and we will still be begging to and depending on the Russians, Uzbeks, and soon enough, the Americans. Our people will stay as it has been: stupid!!!
helu sir i m wahab i will visit tu your counteries
Haha! The Uzbeks have become buddy-buddy. Uzbeks are not people. They are looking for where they can get the most. To heck with you! We are building Rogun.
You didn’t get it at all. Rogun is our future. We will help the Uzbeks. Really, you will have our electricity in Samarqand and Bukhara.
Salam alaikoum my Muslim brothers- What are we arguing with each other about? We Tajiks and Uzbeks have always been family. But, you remember the winter of 2008, when babies is maternity wards and students in dormitories died and the people suffered for two months without electricity and gas. Our electricity came from Republic of Uzbekistan (RU). So why did the RU shut off the electricity and gas when we were going to pay for it all the same? And let the RU clean up the minefields on the border. How many women and children have died from these mines? You citizens of the RU are not aware of this. Then they opened the border so Uzbek cars go through, but do not let ours go by. What do you have to say about this? What do we have to do with you not having enough water? Your actions have turned Dzhizzak and Sirdarya oblasts into desserts. Do not touch the water and there will be no droughts anywhere. You also say that you have a rich government, but your people come here for work. What do you have to say about this? Why do we have such a government, but the people are poor? We can do what we want and what we will with our territory, you will agree. I am an Uzbek myself and a citizen of Tajikistan. I love my homeland, but do not get in our way. And as such, we do not need to judge what anyone should do. We have bigheaded fat-asses who sit behind desks and get money for nothing.
Well, they argue a lot, but frankly speaking I do not care who builds what. Because of these problems, riot police officers in Tajikistan target Uzbeks at night. They pull over cars, check passports and ask about nationality. I have not heard of something like that happening in Uzbekistan. Nobody harasses Tajiks there. Jobs are offered to everybody regardless of nationality. While jobs are scarce, they have started witch-hunting. (The two heads of state will sort it out without our help). We do not understand, if trouble begins, the people will be the ones to suffer. Politicians do not give a damn about the people, we are sheep for them, we will go where we are told to. People, think of the consequences! It is not a question of who benefits from the power plant, people will suffer 100 percent no matter whether you are a Tajik or an Uzbek. People are having a hard time because of the crisis, you are saying, "I am tough and I will manage". Who needs this? So, think twice before talking.
All honor to the Tajik people who have been struggling to get out of the abyss for 20 years without losing their identity. Uzbekistan needs civil war to understand how valuable peace is. What is the difference between Uzbeks and our neighbors Tajiks? The Russians call both skibbies. Kyrgyz developments clearly showed that everybody is fed up with our impudence. If we are so good, why do we plant mines along the border and ordinary laborers step on them and lose their lives? We are vehemently opposed, what right do we have to ban the construction of the Rogun hydropower plant, which is being built on renewable water resources? It is not a nuclear plant. Take the Uzbek energy sector, 60 percent of electricity is generated by thermal power plants, which burn some fuel, polluting environment million times more than the Tajik smelter. Where is our Uzbek wisdom? What do we want from our neighbors? Ordinary Tajiks and Uzbeks aren’t well off, while writers and scribes of all kinds only seek to make things worse. I am not to blame for being an Uzbek and he is not to blame for being a Tajik and for loving his country like we love Uzbekistan. I urge everyone to do a favor to each other. The Uzbek government should urgently sit at the negotiating table with Rakhmon and offer help in building the Rogun dam. The people of Uzbekistan do not want to have a reputation as fascists in Central Asia. "
our dear neigbour you follow by external crasy ideas,that exporting electricity give some huge dividends,but its myths,please look more real.
We Tajiks will never be able to build a hydropower plant, and every Tajik is aware of that. Let's live in peace.
We are going to build the hydro-power plant, whether you want it or not
I do not know whose game it was, but the authorities cheated the people of Tajikistan once again. They collected money and now they do not know what to do with it. They cannot put it to use because permission has not yet been given to build the plant.
it\'s the game of Russia, they are doing it,only
The Tajik and Uzbek people are one nation with different languages. You should not behave like this. We do not need a war. There are enough of them in this world, aren’t there? Look at what has happened to Iraq. Iran is next. These bastards want us to go into a war. They have an interest. Russia will take side with one rival, and the US with the other, and they will be killing us, Muslims. We do not need this. We should be united. Assalamu alaikum.
I am the son of Khabibullo Yakhyayevich Aripov. As I can see, the one who wrote that is dead to shame and has no conscience. Mirzokurbon Sukhrobov wrote his story about the Rogun Dam and about a man who died almost three years ago, the late K.Y. Aripov, the director and founder of the Soghd Regional Center for AIDS Prevention, which made a considerable contribution to preventing the spread of HIV in the Republic of Tajikistan and outside the country. Mirzokurbon Sukhrobov, I expect official apologies from you.
Kill each other...make Russian laugh...stupid idiots!
People, stop arguing about something that is bound to happen. The Almighty told to build the Rogun hydropower plant. This is the will of Allah!!! Instead of attacking each other, let’s face the truth. As a real Muslim, I appeal to all leaders and officials in the Central Asian countries. Stop dancing to the tune of the “great power”. This is our real enemy! They have always humiliated us by calling us “black asses”. They use this expression with reference not only to Tajik people, but also to Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs, to all Central Asians. The Russians call us skibbies. Russian officials do not want Central Asian states to unite. When our stupid leaders stop bickering and unite, we’ll have everything. This alliance will be better than the EU, and we will not depend on anyone, and no one will have to look for work in Russia. We will not be afraid of anyone and will not hear abusive language any longer. This concerns all of us. Who benefits from the visa regime between Uzbekistan and Tajikistan? Do budgets of these countries need such income? Do people benefit from it? There are people in the border areas called pyatidnevka [“a five-day mother”], that is a Uzbek woman who marries her relative in Tajikistan or visa versa. They have to cross the border every five days during five years. Is it good to see a five-day mother with three kids and a baby in her hands waiting in a long queue for hours when it is freezing cold with minus 20 degrees Celsius or plus 50 degrees without a roof over her head? They say a Muslim is a brother to another Muslim, we are all Muslims. Why should we depend on others when we have everything, except friendship and understanding?
\"every tajiks say that hydropower plant our proud and we are original nation from history\" hey tajiks wake up ,think deeply, you are living in present day. if you respect your history then respect uzbeks too , because it is connected. your president Imomaly Rahmonov is a toy of russian\'s, and he is not good politic person. dont be angry, this is true . Look between 1991-2009, it shows that uzbek\'s way is the best in central asia. Tajikistan still dependent on russian\'s mind, without russian your government is nothing.(even you think that tajikistan independent country} IT\'S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR \'Imomali\'
Our neighbor always thinking that Tajikistan must be an undevelopment contry but hope one day UZBEKS will beg electricity from Tajikistan as nowadays they are beging for water ofcourse it it will be when our leaders stoping corruption and giving chance for educated persons if it countinus same as now the situation of TJK will be worse. BUT OUR MESSION
We'll build the plant whether you want it or not
Ok guys, look here. Why do we need that fuss? This site and this page is used by the Russian secret services to brainwash you. They use it as a bate, and you bite it. I read it and gave it a thought. Why do we need Russia in Central Asia with our wealth? We have oil, gas, bread, cotton, water, why should not we be friends and develop cooperation? The Ivan does not like it. The Russias say that if it was not for them, we would be stupid. Iran had not a single Russian, are they stupid? I think we'll be better off if these parasites leave Central Asia. The problem of Aral Sea could be addressed in no time at all. Look how often floods occur in Russia, is it impossible to dig a channel to the Aral Sea? Of course not. While we are at each other's throat, Ivan benefits from gas and other riches. Brothers. The Prophet, Allah bless him, said: Muslim is a brother to another Muslim. Let's listen to this great man of all times and let's not quarrel. Let's leave this evil page because this is a devil's work. Let's say a prayer in the morning after namaz and dedicate it to our ancestors, and they will forgive us. There will be no pigs, and there will be fewer problems. Peace to you and your homes.
I was shocked by the news about Rogun. Tajik operators failed to meet the target for buying hydropower plant shares, and the government ordered them punished and removed all external billboards of mobile operators. This is the only industry that has been growing faster in Tajikistan than in other Central Asian countries, but operators have come under heavy pressure. I do not know what the government is thinking; this is outrageous.
Dear Uzbeks, go to your library, if you have any, and take books on Uzbek history. I suggest that you look at the end of the book where they indicate year and country of publication. Why do you deceive yourselves that you have land? What land are you talking about if you have no history. There was no Uzbek nation, only Turk sheep herders. They had no borders and they were roaming Central Asia. They gradually grew in number and started to attack the Tajik state. Later, there was peace, and they lived in the Bukhara border areas. There was not a single Uzbek in Samarkand and Bukhara before the revolution. When Frunze came, he gave them weapons, and they attacked the emir of Bukhara. In general, you should be afraid of the Almighty and stop deceiving ordinary people. I don't think we should tell you whose land you are living on. What wrong have we done to you? I think you know now on whose land you live. What will you do if Tajikistan claims these lands? Do you want Uzbekistan to follow the example of Georgia and Yugoslavia… Allah forbid! What if we gave Rogun to Russia? They would not handle you with kid gloves. The Russians drive a wedge between us and benefit from it. We do not know how to get rid of them, but you can let them in. The Tajik nation is the world's oldest nation with rich culture, traditions and history. Not a single scientist denies that. We want to live well and decently. Otherwise, trade between our countries could grow and people could visit their relatives. Allah will punish for the injustice, and hopefully those who deserve it, and not ordinary people. Peace to you and your homes.
Rogun is our pride, our economic independence, we will build it whether you want it or not (Uzbako).
Water is money. It is market economy .We are not part of china.Uzbekistan communism ended long time ago.I do pay for Uzbek gas ontime.Why shouldn\'t you buy the water from tajik.No offence my mom is uzbek.
We'll be building the hydropower plant, and no one will stop us. Because this is our pride. Uzbaks will not stop us, understand?!!!!!!!
Peace is the most important thing in this life.
Guys, let us be friends. Honestly, all obstacles posed by Uzbekistan are good for us as we will build our independent republic faster.
Gorbachev is a mastermind of all this conflicts. Enjoy your independence.
Are you nuts? What nation do we represent now? Some say the Uzbeks are tough guys, while the Tajiks are stupid or visa versa. Think about it! The Tajiks and Uzbeks are one nation! Do not say lies about the nation because of the power plant! Do not lie about each other! I am an Azerbaijani! I have friends among both Uzbeks and Tajiks! Do not say bad and stupid things like fascists! A sane man will never talk about the nation and culture, which is one! Wake up people! It is up to Allah and politicians whether they build it or not! It is not up to you! When you say the Uzbek is a ram or Tajik is a ram, you sound like a ram! I am half Uzbek and I have a Tajik girlfriend. I will never say to her that she is stupid or a sheep, because I know that we are the same! Good buy people!
Before building the hydropower plant, you'd better create some culture. Tajikistan has 0% culture. The "Nasha Russia" comedy show proves that!!! Neither Tajik president nor Tajik people are accountable for their actions. Emomali is a stupid idiot, gives an interview to journalists and then says, let's keep this conversation between you and me and the bedpost!!! This Emomali is mentally retarded.
There were just two villages in the world. They were inhabited by different people with distinctive culture, customs and traditions. Each of the villages was filled with a mad aroma of flowers, and everyone was happy. All people were awoken in the mornings with wonderful singing of birds, and the smiling face of a child looked out of each window. They lived side by side in friendship and enjoyed their lives. A stream was flowing through both small villages. Then, there was a drought. The upstream village started to reflect on the gravity of the problem, and it inhabitants decided to block the stream, thereby partly depriving the downstream village of water supply. The downstream village suffered from water shortages, and when it could not take it anymore as small children died of thirst, the men from the downstream village decided to take action. They came to their neighbors and tried to explain the complexity and the globality of the situation. The head of the upstream village listened attentively, but refused to share water from the common stream, saying that it flows from and belongs to the upstream village. «We have the right to have all water for ourselves, but we also let you use a little. You should thank us for it». People from the downstream village tried to explain again and again that they do not have enough water for crop cultivation and for drinking, and because of that they have many problems and their children are dying. They demanded that the issue should be addressed, said that it cannot go on like this… and left.
Three days later, one of the desperate inhabitants of the downstream village broke the dam, but water “owners” severely beat him up for that. His purpose was to help his friends and relatives. Water was vital for all inhabitants of the village, which was dying out slowly. The poor man resisted as he could to prevent upstream residents from blocking water flow again, but he stopped breathing at some point. When the inhabitants of the downstream village found out about the terrible tragedy, they decided to take vengeance on the enemy. A war broke out. The inhabitants of the downstream village had nothing to lose and they fought desperately. As a result, the two villages were completely destroyed. Only ruins, empty houses with lop-sided roofs and broken windows remained. Dog barking and wolf howling were the only sounds heard in the vicinity. It all could have been different if the inhabitants of the upstream village sympathized with the neighbors, shared the trouble, treated other people’s children as theirs and found a compromise. And the stream with crystal-clear water would not be red because of blood. It is always necessary to look into the root of problems. Prevention is always better than treatment. The brains have been given to the man to live in peace, believe in the Creator and give happiness to everyone around. This is the sense of human life.
Once upon a time, something that was given to people from above killed them. Life often puts us to test. At those moments, it is necessary to rely on human wisdom and human nature because God gave part of himself to all of us. He wants us to remain human at a difficult time, not to be animals. The draught would be over sooner or later, and everything would be fine as before. Selfishness, injustice and greed take the upper hand sometimes and overwhelm conscience. Human values lose their meaning at such moments. It is at a difficult time that humans should prove their worth and help each other. Only then the creator, who gave soul to all of us, will protect and love us, and give us real happiness.
Guys, let us be friends. We will build Rogun anyway! Do not worry, this is useless.
Brothers and sister. I don\'t understand the word \"uzbek\". There isn\'t such nation or word as \"uzbek\". Please use correct word on your further comments, namely use word \"uzbak\" which is correct. The word \"uzbek\" spread after the russian came to Central Asia.
I want to ask the history expert, was it Amir Timur who built Samarkand and Bukhara? You are a lousy historian. When these cities were built, the man was not even born yet. Now Karimov is rebuilding these cities. You should know that your ancestors were not allowed to speak out, idiot. Because of your cowardice, you are still part of the Uzbek Republic. Let me tell you that Uzbek history is not that rich. Timur was a tough macho for a few years, but they kicked him out afterwards. The Uzbek state was established after 1917 revolution, but they had no land and no state before. They took it from your stupid ancestors and are still using it. You even forgot that a Tajik people, the so-called Sogds, lived on the Syrdarya bank several thousand years ago. They were great people, not like you. I am reading what you wrote and agree with Uzbeks, they are very clever to have brainwashed Tajiks so well. Instead of supporting your nation, you are talking bullshit. Remember brother, you are a Tajik. This is a great nation, but the Uzbek people have always sought to put a spoke in its wheel. Why others should envy us? The Tajik people have the past called HISTORY, something that the Uzbek people do not have and cannot have. Someone who has no past has no future. Be proud, do not believe it. Take their wedding for instance - they are not any worse than the Russians. The 1917 history repeats itself when Ivan came to our land and backed boneheads, this is all Uzbek history. Read “The Tajiks” by Bobodjon Gafurov. Maybe I should not have called you brother, but I did so only out of respect for our ancestors. Allah bless and forgive them. Peace to you and your family.
Ukzbeks are dissatisfied people, they never see the future.
Let me tell u my dear friends! These all re controls by Russian politics!I want to tell the Tadjik president slow dawn and use ur own brain not others!!!
Before threatening us with war, think why should Fergana mothers send their children to war with Tajiks only because Karakalpakia will face water shortages, while Samarkand and Bukhara mothers will not want to see their sons killing their countrymen. Tajikistan lived through a war and God forbid it to repeat - instead of two prosperous countries, there will be one Somalia, do you need this? I think if Tajikistan needs the hydropower plant for its development, it should get it, and it does not need to ask anyone for permission. Tajikistan will never leave its neighbor without water - this is not in Tajik spirit, whereas the brotherly Uzbek people left us without electricity and gas during the cold winter of 2008. As for payments for gas, it is a shame to sell gas to the neighbor at such a high price. What if we start selling water to you?
Do not argue Uzbeks, we will build the hydropower plant anyway. God bless our president, we will turn Tajikistan into Paris.
Hey you, Uzbeks, I do not bear grudges against you although I am an Uzbek myself. But your President Islam Karimov and his lieutenants, they just bullshit the people drawing parallels with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is wrong. Those opposed to Rogun should smell their collar first. I fully support my president and his idea to build the Rogun plant. Are there people who wholeheartedly support your president in your country? No way! Uzbekistan you'd better keep silent and pray for us. Your people have flocked here as guest workers, you know what I mean. Do not meddle, calm down, better check on your daughter!!!
Theese all mass done by Former ussr politics(Rudzutak&Lenin),who decided that tujik clans have the right have they own country.Every intelligent knows central Asia had thee kingdoms where lived more likely Uzbeks.So it is gloomy mistake that Tadjiks have they own country.I suggest to these wild cretures to go back to oratepa or other mountains and live and fight till they disappear.When i get money ,i will surround tadjikistan with nuclear power stations.Attantion,todjiks havn\'t got right to have they own country and i(and every single intelligent) don\'t accept them as a nation.
be very carefull it is danger!
Dear friends, Samarkand and Bukhara were built by Amir Temur, an Uzbek. Many people say that the city is inhabited by Tajik people and it is their city. This is wrong. There is the city of Shakhrtus in Tajikistan inhabited by Uzbek people, they do not say it is their city. So think my friends. I am a Tajik but I will support Uzbeks because they are right, the Sogdiyskaya oblast must belong to them. Why? Because they have the same mentality. The Khatlon oblast should belong to the Afghan people because they live like Afghan people - the way the dress and cook. So read the history, it says that Sogdiyskaya oblast is part of the Fergana Valley. So do not talk much. Islam Karimov, come on!
Hello dear users of this site. The Tajiks are good people. We do not like it when someone prohibits us from building our hydropower plant on our land. Glaciers in our land are the source for it. So why shouldn't we build the plant? We will be building Rogun, and you will not stop us, remember it. God give long life and good health to our highly respected President Emomali Rakhmon. Long live Emomali Rakhmon and the Rogun hydropower plant, remember it envious Uzbeks. Allah the Almighty sees and hears everything. Have a heart, America's vassals. That is what you are, the Uzbek government.
Uzbeks, it is a sin to prevent someone from doing good things, and God will punish you for it. You attempted to destroy the Tajik nation many times and take over Tajikistan. Many good people died for it. You killed even an excellent singer like Karomatullo Qurbonov, etc. But you still did not get what you wanted. Does not it occur to you that what you seek angers God?!
We’ll build our Rogun hydropower plant, and everybody will be happy, you and us. Do not argue, all arguments will be forgotten, and our enemies will blow up out of envy. Let’s be friends and understand each other.
Knyazev wants to extend afghan border to kazahstan )))
I do not understand, Tajikistan is shouting that it will build the power plant, says we envy them? I am an ordinary resident of Tashkent and I do not see why we should envy you. What do you have to be proud of? Your living standards are low, you have no economy and you lag behind Uzbekistan. Look at our new football club Bunyodkor with the highest-paid coach Scolari. As for Rogun, our President Karimov is a good boy, so try to built it. We will see what you can do.
I do not understand what problems do Uzbeks have… If you didn't notice that, you are the ones offending us... How dare you talk about our culture… And do not touch out president… Allah gracious, he is one of the best presidents in the world… You envy us… You cannot stand watching us getting back on our feet… Someone said we do not put our money where our mouth is... better not raise the issue... It is you who are two-faced... Instead of evolving and showing other regions that Central Asians are the best people, you are just looking for selfish gains and do your best to achieve the goal... You can let Uzbeks down for profit... As for the 28 million Uzbaks, so what is about it? I don't give a damn about your 28 million!!! You are the meanest people!!!
Uzbeks want war? Ok, we have nothing to lose. We'll clear Tajikistan of Uzbeks and get to you Uzbako!!! You'd better live in peace, or we will teach you a lesson!!!
Rugun is the pride of all Tajiks, and we will be building it as scheduled. If a war begins, we will take Samarkand and Bukhara back. This is not a joke. Uzbeks have no history, which has been scientifically proved by many scientists. Uzbeks are like rams. Uzbeks will never get anything done so do not waste your energy. After Rogun, we will build the Baldzhuvon hydropower plant, which will have a greater capacity than Rogun. This will be the end of the world for Uzbekistan and a new era of prosperity for Tajikistan. We will build Rogun, this is none of your bloody business.
We will build Rogun anyway, whether you want it or not!!! Go ahead Tajiks!
You will not build the plant, you bastards, you will be begging us, Uzbeks.
Dear friends, let's not argue about the Rugun hydropower plant construction. Uzbeks were and remain our slaves. Your people did not exist until the 20th century. We made you, people, and now you say that we are stupid. Think before offending our people. You have drunk our water for centuries and now you think we are stupid. All damned Uzbeks are slaves to Tajiks and will always be. I say it as a real Tajik citizen.
Tajiks and Uzbeks have lived in peace for centuries. Uzbekistan should help build the power plant. Or our Kulyab residents sponge everything out of Tajiks until the last drop.
I would like to tell the newly recognized Uzbeks that Bukhara and Samarkand were our cities for centuries. This is Tajik ethnos… I would like to remind you, my friends, that Amir Timur (Tamerlan) built his state around Samarkand, you understand what I am driving at… Therefore, I do not think it is ethical to make remarks about the construction or non-construction.
In the name of Allah the Gracious and Merciful, assalamu alejkum. We will be building our hydropower plant, and no one should interfere. No one will stop us. We are an Aryan race and we will be building hydropower plants on our land. Allmighty Allah protect us, Allahu Akbar!
"Brothers", Uzbeks-nomads. Do not go mad out of envy. You already took Samarkand and Bukhara from us and stole our culture, so let us live and enjoy our lives. God let our people and our adored President Emomali Rakhmon live long. Whether you want it or not, we will build hundreds of hydropower plants like this by Allah's will!!!!!!!!!!!!
People, where all the hatred comes from? Do you think that if someone feels bad, you will feel better? Maybe a bad peace is better than a good argument? Stop for a minute and think about your children. What will you leave them? You should not curse and threaten each other. The Earth is one. We are related nations. By offending and threatening each other, you are losing the remaining common sense.
Moscow and Tashkent have always wanted to rule this small Central Asian country. 1920s and 1990s are evidence of that, when Uzbek soldiers entered Dushanbe from the Regar direction and killed members of the Tajik intelligentsia. Some writers say that Tajikistan discriminates against ethnic Uzbeks, but look at the list and the ancestry of "the top" leaders, half of them are Uzbeks, Lakai and other Turk-language diasporas. You write that upon the construction of the Rogun hydropower plant, territories downstream will be left without water, and the Aral Sea will dry out further. In the 1980s when I visited the Republic of Karakavpak, salting already invaded its edge. This is terrible, but the Tajik people are not the ones to blame. The Tajik people want to live a decent life and do not want to depend on a neighbor like Uzbekistan. Probably, when the current rulers step down and wiser people concerned about Asia's fate take over, the two nations will come to an agreement. We need Rogun whether you want it or not. Do not look at Russia, they are not the Russians who they were in the 19th and 20th centuries. They have betrayed us and will continue to do so.
These water resources of Central Asia belong to Tajikistan only, therefore it is necessary to build the strategic hydropower plant faster. It is very interesting from the economic point of view. Many other problems will be resolved after its construction.
The reason is a lack of faith among the two peoples. Assalamu aleikum. There are differences because the Muslims have deviated from their religion. Looking at comments I am surprised with people who say, "We will build it anyway" and "Build it out of spite." This is not good. Uzbeks are Muslims. The Prophet (Allah bless him) said, "The Muslims are like one organism. If one organ hurts, the whole body is affected" (This is what Hadith says). According to the Hadith, the problems of Uzbeks are our problems. The faithful are brothers. Everyone should bear it in mind.
We can argue forever about it but we should still do something about it. It's either we reach a compromise, or we take knives and forks again and fight. Tajiks need electricity for development, now this is a big potential. Uzbeks are always discontent with something - either they face a shortage of water, or they do not like our people or something else. If they want water, we'll open Sarez and they will get as much water as they want. They will swim in it.
President Karimov is afraid that he will not be able to sell electricity to neighboring countries because his electricity is expensive! He is afraid of it. There are so many reservoirs in Uzbekistan and nobody is talking about it! But the source comes from Syr Darya!
Uzbeks have turned to "Talko" and the railroad because they cannot find another way out. They have nothing against Rogun, we will build it anyway even if Ban Ki-moon opposes it. Although they say that the secretary general offered Tajiks to build four units only so that Uzbeks will shut up. I am not sure that our president will accept it.
Hey Tajiks, if you want gas and electricity, we are waiting for you in Uzbekistan. Uzbeks are hospitable people. Why should we envy you? Do you have anything decent for us to envy you?
We Muslims can do fairly good without fighting and finishing each other of.If some of us want to fight then they can go to Palestine and fight Israel.A pakistani
Keep building! You will drown there!
Uzbeks, we will screw you after the hydropower plant is built, you will not be able to resist, the hell with you.
Salam Aleikum. I've read all that was said above and my feelings were hurt. I was very hurt. We, Uzbeks and Tajiks, are brotherly peoples and do not think that is a propaganda. No. Look, everyone has Uzbeks and Tajiks among ancestors, for instance, the mother is Uzbek, and the father is Tajik. Our people have mixed together, so do not attack each other. You have started a war here. Those who say "Karimov will break Rahmon's neck" may be wrong. Do you think Tajiks have a weak army? God forbid a war to start because young people will be dying, and their mothers will be crying. Who needs it? No war is needed.
You want a war? Not a problem. You, Uzbeks, have more to lose - Andijan, Fergana, Samarkand and Bukhara. Do you think they will stand up for you? Especially Karakalpaks? You will be divided between Tajikistan and Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyz will get a piece.
Islam Karimov is a real man. I respect him! Rahmon begs for money around the world because he doesn't have his own brains. Tajiks, you should hire Uzbeks to make your country a good place to live.
The Tajik people are to blame for all problems. Uzbekistan appointed Rahmon as president to end the war. Why did you elect him again? You call yourself "Great Tajik people", but based on who you elected as a president (a collective farm boss), one can judge about your mental development. Rahmon as a collective farmer treats you like rams. I have a Korean friend in Dushanbe who says: "Wanted to get a job, but they told me to come back when I will have a Tajik passport." My friend has a Korean face. Do you say you are clever after that? You are rams.
Guys, calm down! Why are you still talking about Rogun, better think about safety of your water reservoirs. Your mercenaries made our life a burden for 70 years, killed hundreds of thousands of Tajiks during the civil war, now you turned to water. What are you people, never get enough, how does this land carry you? The Almighty gave wealth to every nation. You enjoy gas, oil, electricity, and we enjoy pure nature and water. This is fair. Do not worry about it, use your energy for something good.
Comrades, has anyone read Contemporary Uzbek Dictionary published before Uzbek was given the state language status. It contained 70-80% Tajik words. So, the Rogun hydropower plant is a pretext. Uzbekistan does not want it built because this is a springboard for Tajikistan's development. If the country has an independent economy, it will develop its culture and values, while Uzbekistan does not want to be left with nothing.
If Karimov could break our neck, he would have done so long ago. You threaten us with war and say you are a nation of 28 million, do you think we are afraid of you? We went through war, but are you ready for it? No matter what our president is like, he is a real man and does what he says, not like someone turning now to the east, and now to the north. The brotherly people are not to blame, but we saw what your government is like in Andijan.
The Rogun hydropower plant construction is an internal matter of Tajikistan and there is no need to meddle. Maybe you tell me also how and when to sleep with my wife?
Good day to everyone! Do not get on people's and neighbors' nerves. We'll build our hydropower plant anyway, it is not up to you to decide. I think the government knows better. No one gave you the right to be rude. You can write what you think, but you should not offend us. We are your neighbors. We have been and are humiliated by you. But we don't protest. Everything should be settled in a peaceful way. The authorities should do so, not you. They build it for the good of the people. If it were dangerous, would they have started building? Peace to everyone.
Dear neighbors, everything will be ok! We'll give you gas, electricity and heat… But you must pay for it.
This is our river in our country, what can prevent us from building it for generating electricity for our country? No one and nothing can stop us now!!!!!!
Go to hell with your hydro power stations
What some write about the historic and political injustices in the 1930s has sunken into oblivion, but relations in Central Asia should not be built today without an analysis of those events. As it is known, from the first years of the Soviet Union political leaders in Uzbekistan had ambitious plans to become regional leaders or, to put it mildly, the “hub” of Central Asia. They dislike Rogun in Tajikistan and hold it in the same way against the Kazakh, Turkmen and Kyrgyz people. Their ambitions have turned into a kind of chronic hysteria about everyone and everything. They resemble the main character in Krylov’s "Moska" fable and they start yapping as soon as something is being done in neighboring countries, disgracing the Uzbek people. You should not try to scare us with the environmental impact assessment. We agree with it. But let’s also conduct, as part of the Aral Sea rescue program, an environmental assessment of where the water disappears, how many reservoirs have been developed and how water is used in Uzbekistan. That’s where the shoe pinches. And what about the environmental effects of chemicals that were poured onto the glaciers at the basins of the Amu Darya and Syr Darya rivers to increase cotton yields or the deterioration of Uzbekistan’s entire irrigation system, which was built during the fourth five-year plan? Such water use practices were abandoned across the world a long time ago. They should not warn about disasters or dam failures or ask who would be held liable for any deaths. It is impossible to predict such things. Everything depends on God’s will. It is just pretenses. The neighbors do not like it, well… nothing can be done. As they say, dogs bark but the caravan moves on. Let them waste more energy and money on it. We are doomed to be together. The Tadjiks and the Uzbeks will continue to live beside each other as they used to, but the time will come when descendants of the current authorities in Uzbekistan will feel ashamed for their policy of hatred toward the neighbors.
In response to such far-fetched statements made by Uzbeks about Tajikistan and Rogun, Tajikistan should build five more hydro power plants and 10 industrial plants.
I belive these misunderstandings between two brotherly nations is a handwork of greater powers, who have exploited these Nations for over a Centuries. However , immature responce to the sitation by the Central Asian Nation is something very worrying. I it simple \"devide and rule\" policy of Greater Nations,who like to take advantage of these problems. I belive if Central Asian countries would solve thier problem in more diplomatic and mutual manner ,ther Region would prosper and became more stronger and would ot be vulnarable to external threats as it is now.
Tajiks, repeat 100 hundred times \"We are going to build the hydropower plant, whether you want it or not\". Then someday Rogun may be will be built on its own. On a serious note, situation with electric power and natural gas supply in Uzbekistan has never been any better. Electric shutdowns are rampant everywhere outside the capital, natural gas pressure is so low in many areas that people heat their homes with other means. Tajikistan sells electricity to Afghanistan (as does Uzbekistan) and I don\'t see any reason why it sells electricity outside when its \"children are freezing\" in winter. The tajik government wanted to import electricity from Turkmenistan cheaper (because of the existence of central asian power exchange system) and sell its electricity to Afghanistan at a higher mark-up. Obviously, the tajik government uses Uzbekistan as a scapegoat for its own problems.
We shall build our Rogun in any case, do you understand me?!!!
Uzbekistan! They envy us, and every Tajik knows this. We are building and will be building our Rogun… The mountains are ours, the rivers are ours and ROGUN is ours. They, Uzbeks, will yet face problems such as droughts and floods, which will be in response to their treatment of the neighbors.
I am a Tajik, but I live in Uzbekistan. Who do we need to quarrel? I love my motherland Uzbekistan and my city Samarkand. Tajiks, lets live in peace, or else you will be in trouble. We are one blood.
Knyazev… is an officer of Uzbekistan's special services… Tell me another… Just in case, he is a persona non grata there!
Two met once. One asks the other, “And what? You are sitting here in the light of an oil lamp?!” The latter replies, “It’s all right… Within two years, you will be carrying water in flasks.” The moral is that you should always think about what you say and what you do.
Construction of Rogun without an independant international investigation & expertise is great crime against humanity. I\'d say construction of Rogun is 100% political and it\'s not in the best interest of Tajikistanis. If the Government of Tajikistan wanted to supply its people with electricity, they would have built small & medium size power stations years ago. In this difficult economic situation in Tajikistan, when ordinary citizens are fed up with the current system, It\'s Rahmon\'s best interest to shift people\'s attention to \"outer enemy\", in this case Uzbekistan. Everyday blaming not only the Uzbek Government but also ethnic Uzbeks for Rahmon\'s own misfortunes is escalating ethnic tension. The ethnic Uzbeks in Tajikistan are facing discrimination and numerous difficulties. The situation cannot go on like this forever.
Envy! This is envy, nothing but pure envy! Our people and our republic need the hydropower plant. We will build it on our own, and no one prevent us from doing so. Uzbekistan does not want Tajikistan to develop, but the Tajiks are industrious and ancient people! We will have the hydropower plant, we will have everything!
The Tajiks should not blackmail us! The tail does not turn the head! And stop attacking our president. We will tame such Tajiks quickly. Your aluminum plant pollutes the southern part of our country. Now you want to leave us without water! Do you think 28 million people will tolerate you? And do not shout about secret services. We need peace, but without water we will not leave these Tajiks in peace.
This is our river. We will build our Rogun and sell electricity to Uzbekistan at an international price as they sell gas. All their arguments are based on their envy for the Great Uzbek People.
Salom! I want to express my opinion. Tajiks and Uzbeks have had blood relations for centuries. No one esle, except for these people, has the right to discuss our problems, whoever it may be. In my family, my wife is Uzbek, and her mother is Uzbek. Third countries should not interfere in the internal policies of the two countries. We can solve our problems on our own in a brotherly manner and with help from God. And we will build the Rogun hydropower plant ourselves on time.
Where do these problems come from? Brothers in faith, Uzbeks, rewind the tape. Recall 1930s when Tajiks in Namangan, Bukhara and Samarkand were forced to change passports at gunpoint! Earlier, who rose against the Bukhara Emir? It was not Frunze. Will I go on? People say it right: New is long forgotten old. I do not have questions to the Uzbek nation but to the Uzbek authorities. Did anyone travel in a train through Uzbekistan in 1990s? Those who did know how Tajiks were humiliated. There was no Rogun at that time. The logic is simple. These people are trying to prevent their neighbors from developing. They seek to achieve their goal at any price. You are ok in winter, you have electricity and gas, while our children are freezing to death. The authorities in Uzbekistan seek to prove to the West that they have a similar culture and that they are completely different people. But they forget that they changed Cyrillic for Latin…! They started this game. Imagine us playing football with ourselves. Then you came and scored. We also need to score or otherwise what is the point of football if only one team scores? Besides, you are not the ones to establish rules. There is an old saying: if you call tulips roses, they will smell like tulips anyway. Peace to you all.
If you all oppose the construction of the Rogun hydropower plant, there is no option but to build a nuclear power plant… What would you say about it? Take this issue to the UN also?
The war was likely ordered by Uzbeks, but Kulab districts benefited from it. There are few Tajiks in Kulab. Karimov seeks to prove that he is not a Tajik, while Rakhmonov seeks to prove that he is a Tajik. Tajiks have nothing to do with it. This is the core of the problem. Let them figure it out themselves. We will build the hydropower plant on our own without them.
Why do Kyrgyzs tolerate a man like Knyazev? He lives in Bishkek and sings to the tune of Tashkent and Moscow. Thanks to Allah, there are no people like him in Tajikistan because we are becoming really independent, and our citizens think about their Motherland.
I am surprised with what have been said. We are not rude like you and all other arguments. I am for neutrality. I am for peace in the region. It was necessary to close the borders from the start. It was necessary to cooperate closely rather that turn your back on your neighbor. The situation is the same on the other side. Peace is the most important thing we have. If you do not want the power plant to be built, give us something that will satisfy our need for it. Any ideas?
Karimov is absolutely right. If a disaster occurs, no one can be held responsible. Tajiks are people who never take responsibility for their actions. But if there is a war, Karimov will easily break Rakhmon's neck, that's for sure.
There are no independent political analysts in Uzbekistan, this is ridiculous. Knyazev is a member of Uzbekistan's secret service. And who is Karimov to demand something from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan?
Tajiks should agree with our (Uzbek) politicians and experts that if they build the hydropower plant and something happens afterward, God forbid, many people die, I do not think the Uzbek government will just sit and watch afterward.
Deposits held in Alp Zhamol Bank will be paid back. The official site of Uzbekistan's Central Bank said that banking license and the general license for foreign currency operations will be recalled from Alp Zhamol Bank under Article 53 of the law "On the Central Bank of the Republic of Uzbekistan" and Article 14 of the law "On Banks and Banking." A Central Bank insider said that all deposits by real persons have been transferred to the People's Bank of the Republic of Uzbekistan (Khalk Bank), including deposits in national and foreign currencies, insurance deposits, and money on Visa international payment cards. The depositors can get back their money after filing applications with the People's Bank of the Republic of Uzbekistan. The money will be repaid in the same currency as it was deposited. Sherzod Karimov.
Hello, neighbor should feel pitty for his neighbor. We are not enemies. We are not like you, you are curmudgeon
there is no place in the world for rascals like Knyazev who want war!
We are going to build the hydropower plant, whether you want it or not